[Seattle, USA. July 17th, 2009] - Yet another dj/producer vibrating Cascadia with bassline pressure.
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Can you describe a little bit about where you grew up and about your introduction to dance music? What were the major influences by the physical and social landscape of that time?
I grew up in East Texas, then moved to a small town in the Mojave desert in California right before high school. Though both of those places had a profound influence on me, I mostly felt at odds with the surrounding social landscape. Music has always been like a ray of energy leading me on to a more satisfying emotional life. My earliest memory is of my mom spinning me around our living room and singing “Getting To Know You” (from the musical “The King And I”) when she brought me home from the hospital. I blame that first happy moment for imprinting me with the need for song and movement (as if they weren't already fundamental to life). My main source of music as a kid was the little AM radio my dad kept on top of our fridge. Radio in the 70s was a lot more mixed than it is today. The Supreme's “You Can't Hurry Love” was one of the first songs that really touched me. The slightly older neighbor girl across the street played the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack for me on her dad's much bigger stereo, and that beat was a thing too.
When I got old enough to have a few bucks and start collecting music myself, I was mostly into metal, then punk. I was a typical angry teenage skate punk, and always looking for harder music. Discovering Metallica was the satisfying culmination of a years long search for music that lived up to the promise of what I thought metal should be. At the same time, I was into bands like Frankie Goes to Hollywood, Depeche Mode, Pet Shop Boys, etc. The guitarist in my crappy punk band gave me his copy of Ministry's “Land Of Rape And Honey,” on account of he hated it and figured I'd be the only person in town who could appreciate it. Industrial music brought together my love of intensity, bass, and repetition. I also discovered New Order while watching 120 Minutes on MTV with my mom (the video for “Bizzare Love Triangle”). That led me to Joy division and Factory records. I bought a Factory cassette sampler that featured an early Happy Mondays track. Went out and got the “Hallelujah” ep, and realized something very different was going on here.
My earliest memory is of my mom spinning me around our living room and singing “Getting To Know You” (from the musical “The King And I”) when she brought me home from the hospital. I blame that first happy moment for imprinting me with the need for song and movement (as if they weren't already fundamental to life).
I was an undergrad at UC Berkeley. That first winter break back home, I ran into one of the cats I used to work with writing record reviews for our school paper. We started having the “so, what are you listening to now?” conversation. He interrupted me, with this crazy gleam in his eye, and starts telling me about *these parties!* in LA that he'd gone to, and that I had to find the same thing in the Bay Area.
Nine months of fruitless searching later, me and my buddy Jacob were going to catch a movie with his sister and her friend. First we had to drop the friend's mom off at a party in Oakland, so we could borrow her car. When they showed up at the house, my preconceptions were blown away. Mom is a drop dead gorgeous Irish lady wearing a sexy black dress cut down to her waist. The visor of her beat up VW bug is covered in yellow smiley face buttons, many also proclaiming “ACID,” which is what she played on her tape deck. Turns out she was working the coat check for the 1991 Labor Day weekender at Mr. Floppy's Flophouse. Well, we ditched our movie plans, mom scored us some e's, and I finally felt like I'd come home for the first time.
The social environment at that time was really special. The rave scene in SF most immediately came out of the gay club scene, but wasn't strictly gay. There were also all the UK immigrants bringing it back to the US. But really, you could trace it all the way back through disco to the acid tests of the 60s (some of the same light show folks from then worked the raves, and things were definitely psychedelic.) You'd see all sorts of very different people relating (like drag queens and East Oakland thugs), this basic assumption that simply showing up was reason enough to know you belonged, and just cutting through all the usual crap and getting to the business at hand, which was getting down to some amazing music. The fashions were quite androgynous, the smoke and lights were disorienting, and we were fairly off our heads, so it was hard to make any kind of assumptions about anyone's identity. Instead of the usual nightclub role playing, you had to relate to people as individuals. It was all fairly new to everyone, we were all figuring it out together, and we all knew that we had discovered something really precious.
My move from just taking it all in to playing records took place the next summer. I lived in a notorious student coop in Berkeley, and my roommate made his living selling herb off the back porch. We'd spend our days smoking and listening to his dancehall mix tapes, then go out raving at night (they often played dancehall and hip hop in the side rooms of raves in Oakland). I was always trying to find EDM that he'd dig, and he kept trying to find reggae that I'd love, which ended up being a Mad Professor tape. The intersection of dub and dance music was my original mission as a dj, and has been the connecting thread through ragga hardcore, deep house, jungle, minimal techno (discovering the Maurizio records had the same impact as discovering “Master Of Puppets” those many years earlier), and finally dubstep.
You use to live in Seattle, but recently moved to Eugene where you find yourself quite well settled in. Can you describe how this transition has affected you musically?
The bigger musical transition was moving to Seattle from Colorado in 2003 to start grad school for acupuncture. I went from playing out most weekends with long term friends to playing in my bedroom and not really having any friends around (big up Greg Skidmore for reaching out at a Twine show back when). That really decoupled my listening and buying habits from the expectations of the dance floor audience. I also started to spend less money on records and more on building a studio. Mail ordering cuts isn't nearly as satisfying as going down to the shop to talk shit and browse every week.
Moving to Eugene has been a continuation of that same process. There's definitely an electronic dance music culture here, but not much of a nightclub “scene,” which suits me just fine. I'd rather play up in the mountains or in someone's basement anyway. I also feel like I've had a good run with party culture and now I'm more focused on getting the rest of the week right. I'm really into being domestic. We've got our garden and chickens, a sweet back deck for sipping tea and watching the local birds and deer. My home listening has moved further away from dance music, and more into other areas. I've re-discovered metal in a big way, particularly doom, drone, and black metal (I think that the most creative fronts of popular music today are in dubstep and experimental metal). Walking to work along Amazon creek in the early misty morning with Wolves In The Throne Room in my headphones really resonates with my love of this land... Free Cascadia! At home we listen to a lot of jazz and experimental/psychedelic rock, which is partly my wife's influence. I've got a tape deck set up next to the kitchen so I can rock old mixtapes while I'm cooking. In the car we bounce between the college station and the classical station, cause the tape deck is broken. I still haven't heard the right bluegrass yet, which hopefully will happen soon, since there's so much of that around here. Finally, I've been getting back into playing bass and joined a band to play house music with “real” instruments. I've still got a living room full of old records. Digging into my collection and rediscovering some dusty grooves has been a great source of enjoyment.
What things are you involved in Eugene that you are currently proud of and/or excited about?
The biggest thing is the community acupuncture clinic where I work (Acupuncture for the People). In many ways it parallels the same kind of social transformations I saw taking place at those early raves, just way more chill. Acupuncture helps people get in touch with their bodies and their feelings. It seems to break through barriers, inspire people to live more in touch with their true desires, and tap into their inner strength, not to mention simply relieving suffering. I love my work intensely. We treat people in comfy recliners in a big room together, and folks pay what they want on a sliding scale of $15-35. Breaking down the class barrier to healthcare is fundamental to creating the sort of space where you'll find a retired grandma napping peacefully next to a 20-something recovering opiate addict. Our clinic is part of an international movement to make acupuncture accessible to everyone. For those of you in Seattle (or anywhere, really) check out the “Locate a Clinic” feature to find your own neighborhood acupunks.
Could you tell us a little bit about your musical ethos? Anything from your sense of musicianship to your social outlook...
Ethos? Man, that makes it sound like I think I know what I'm doing. There's no master plan to market myself. I'm just an old dude who keeps mixing cuts cause I don't know how to stop. The only rule of thumb is to play music that makes me feel something. Any time I've felt like I was finally getting a formula down, I've ended up going in the opposite direction, so I don't really bother trying to figure it out anymore. I just want to spread love, promote freedom, and wreck a few heads from time to time.
I used to think that organizing free outdoor parties would change the world, bring us all together, usher in a golden age of endless festivity, and all that idealistic hippy crap. I mean, the most effective social transformations I've witnessed have been on dancefloors and around DIY anarchists with solid work ethics to back up their hedonism. I think there is a revolutionary praxis to be found in dance culture, but after watching generations of party people get caught up in substance abuse, terminal snobbishness, hype chasing, and all the other pitfalls of the slide back into nite klubbing, not to mention the backlash of the RAVE Act, Criminal Justice Bill, etc., I kinda gave that up (but I've still got a bit of a torch burning, just in case).
You also play under the monikers “Whitsitt” and “DJ Place.” Please tell us a little bit about these two, what they are influenced by and what the difference/contrast is between them.
Whitsitt is just my given name, which comes from my father's people. My grandfather's grandfather's last name was Whitsitt, which is a version from the Welsh name “Gwydsedd” (pretty obvious why they changed it). Way back when, a bunch of Welsh folks came to Alabama to work the mines, and some of them escaped from there to colonize and occupy central Texas. The original Welsh apparently means “seat in the woods.” “Seat” in the sense of a seat of government, like a county seat, or like a church pew, and “woods” as either the actual forest, or even the existential notion of wilderness. My folks didn't know that when they named me, but I think it suits me just fine. Also, next time someone asks me, I can just point them here instead of having to repeat all that again! Most of my time djing has just been under my own name, simple enough.
When I started making and releasing my own music, and playing out again, I decided to go with a made up name, partly because I was tired of trying to tell folks what you just read above while in front of a noisy soundsystem, and partly because I love the whole tradition of faceless techno. I picked Place because it is simple, includes a good audible pun (“plays”), and rhymes with words like “bass” and “space” (just want to make it easy for the mcs). Coming from organizing dances on public lands, I'm acutely aware of the need for physical space in which to manifest culture. I also want to emphasize physicality, the needs of the body and the landbase, and environmental concerns (besides having a deep love of ambience in music). When I picked that name, I was active on the Derrick Jensen discussion email list. He talks a lot about how important it is to relate intimately with the specific part of the natural world you live in, and his writing has really helped me get clear about how destructive civilization is to all life. I know that probably sounds like a big contradiction for someone making electronic music, but I'd happily give up all these slave-labor produced toxic gadgets in a heart beat if it would bring us a social order based on equality, respect for the entire community of life, and more salmon swimming upstream every year instead of less. In spite of the claims of green consumerism, however, the destructiveness of our culture isn't driven by consumer choice, and making minor lifestyle changes isn't going to stop it. Not that we shouldn't make conscious choices about how we live, but I'm not a purist.
The most effective social transformations I've witnessed have been on dancefloors and around DIY anarchists with solid work ethics to back up their hedonism. I think there is a revolutionary praxis to be found in dance culture, but after watching generations of party people get caught up in substance abuse, terminal snobbishness, hype chasing, and all the other pitfalls of the slide back into nite klubbing, not to mention the backlash of the RAVE Act, Criminal Justice Bill, etc., I kinda gave that up (but I've still got a bit of a torch burning).
Aside from all that environmental stuff, it's pretty obvious that the most interesting innovations in dance culture have come out of particular places and communities of people – I think house sounds the way it does because of Chicago. If you go there, the city *feels* like house music... all those solid square brick buildings and solid midwestern people, generally friendly but kinda raw (compared to my West Coast sensibilities). Same with Detroit and techno... that mixture of melancholy and longing for a promised future that will never come to pass; a few shiny sky scrapers and a lot of burned out houses. I've never been to London, but reading Blackdown's blog has convinced me that the same case can be made for dubstep and that city, with the mashup of people from all over the world bringing their own flavors to the mix. What with the internet abstracting cultural artifacts into some timeless, bodiless nowever, I just want to point back to where we actually are.
If there's any difference between the two monikers, it's that Place is for my own (dubstep) productions, and Whitsitt is grounded in selecting house/techno/whatever cuts. I never really meant to be “DJ” Place, but that's how it worked out when I was selecting dubstep. In as much as I make dubstep that's very much influenced by gay house music (just to help all those roughneck suburban ganstas keep an open mind), and recently did a remix of a house track that is basically dark broken garage at 115bpm (soon come on Dope Recordings), it really all blends together.
When MLAT used to play out, you on occasion joined in as DJ Place. Will you ever be able to make it up to Seattle again to play?
I'm available for your wedding, prom, bar mitzvah, bbq, block party, or red light basement session. Rates are reasonable, and I work hard to bring the best to you. Seriously though, it looks like I'll be coming through in August to jam out with some friends. I'd welcome any other opportunities to share my weird take on this thing with y'all.
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